“Fuzzy Logic” : as public employee unions submit Term Limit petitions for San Diego County Supervisors

Jim Sills Jim Sills 3 Comments


All - GOP      Supervisors

Public employee union leaders turned in petitions this morning asking
a Two-term limit for San Diego County Supervisors. They say 120,000 voter names are included.

Oddly, however, it appears this petition will have little effect on the
CURRENT County Board, even if it qualifies and passes in the June
2010 election !

That’s because, like the statewide term limits law (Prop. 140 of Nov.
1990) it will apply only PROSPECTIVELY… meaning the current
Supervisors could all serve two more 4-year terms ! That is why,
for example, Willie Brown remained in the State Assembly for 6
years after Prop. 140 passed: he still was allowed 3 more terms.

If this petition had been filed a decade ago, when the incumbent
Supervisors were in their 50s, it would be forcing them out of office
now. Districts 4 and 5 would be open seats in 2010.

But by waiting till the Fab Five approach the traditional retirement
age, the Union Bosses took the notorious “Too Little, Too Late”


(1) 77,839 valid signatures are required to qualify a countywide
initiative. Why 77,839? The figure is based on 10% of all votes
cast for Governor in San Diego county in November 2006.

(2) The Voter Registrar’s excellent staff will first count the number
of total signatures submitted. Then they will randomly select 3%
of these signatures for validation, noting the percentage which are
valid and invalid.

If the resulting validity rate, projected over the entire petition count,
equals 10% MORE than the 77,839 minimum, the petition will be
declared to have qualified.

If, on the other hand, the 3% sample projects to 5% LESS than
77,839, it will be declared a failure. If the projection falls within
the remaining window (4% less to 9% more) than the ALL of
the signatures will be individually tabulated. (Source: State Elections

(3) We will probably know if the petition succeeded or failed in about
2 to 4 weeks. It has been submitted early enough to make the June
2010 ballot if it does qualify.

Based on past election results, the answer is probably YES. In
February 2008, San Diego county voters rejected a softening of
State term limits, helping to defeat state Proposition 93. The City
of San Diego added term limits in 1992, when a plan authored by
Mayor Maureen O’Connor won easy voter approval.

The petition filed today is seen as a pressure tactic on the current 5
County Supervisors, all of whom have served at least 14 years in their
present jobs. More importantly, however, the current Board has often
resisted these public employee Unions’ major demands for higher


Comments 3

  1. And let’s all remember that SEIU, the union backing this measure, doesn’t have term limits for it’s elected union officers.

  2. It’s “fuzzy logic” to say that state legislators, the governor and the president should have term limits, but our Royal Supervisors should not.

    Even if we won’t be getting them out of office immediately, we need to take this important step to let them know that their slush funds, support of the well-to-do and well-connected and overall arrogance will be coming to an end.

    As the chairman of the national organization US. Term Limits says:
    “It seems the longer politicians are in office, the more likely they are to rip us off for their own benefit–rewarding the donors who funded their campaigns and the special interests who keep them in power rather than the people they should be serving.”

    Amen. It’s time for term limits.

  3. Did you actually read the post? I predicted that if this proposal makes the ballot, it will likely pass.

    The “fuzzy logic” applies to the Union bosses who presumably spent in the 6 figures on this item, but for a proposal which will have no impact on the 5 incumbents they dislike so much.

    Further, TERM LIMITS are a Republican issue.

    REPUBLICANS pushed through term limits for President
    in the late 1940s. REPUBLICANS sponsored and led the
    fight for Prop. 140 in 1990 for California State term limits.
    The GOPs Pete Schbarum was the author.

    In 1995 80% of REPUBLICAN House members voted to limit Congressional terms too, but Democrats blocked them from
    the 2/3 majority required to amend the Constitution.

    Suddenly an adjunct wing of the same Democratic party
    which fought Federal and State term limits, decides they
    are now FOR term limits…. if it is an all Republican Board
    of Supervisors of course.

    THAT logic is pretty fuzzy too !

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