Remember when I said that Trump will fail to get 20% of the “established Republicans” vote in the November general election?
As many as one out of five Republican voters have said they will not support Trump in the general election. Spurred on by a Twitter Hashtag, blogger Erick Erickson, National Review, and an electrifying letter from Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse, a grassroots revolt is underway by the reliable Republican base. Schoolteachers, military officers, Kiwanis Club Presidents, cops, business owners, weekly church worshipers, etc are all saying one thing: Nominate Trump and you elect Hillary President ‘cuz we will sit the November election out.
I wasn’t joking. That one in five number hasn’t moved. Not only will those established Republican voters refuse to vote for Donald Trump, they want him to drop out of the race:
Nearly one-fifth of registered Republicans want Donald Trump to drop out of the race for the White House, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Wednesday, reflecting the turmoil his candidacy has sown within his party.
It’s almost as if “Project GOP Mayhem” was planned last year.
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Trump is the result of 20+ years of Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox et all. How many of you publicly rejected statements like “Obama is with the terrorists”, “Obama is the Anti-Christ” ect. Fox news didn’t just denounce illegal immigrants, they had many people on that said that Mexicans had a culture of rape and murder ad nauseum. Not one of you stood up against this crap because it excited the base. Your mistake was that the “base” of racists and xenophobes were going to vote Republican anyway.
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“Not one of you stood up against this crap because it excited the base.”
Oh good grief. That’s not true. To wit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Q1I6PIIuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGnE83A1Z4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHrB4cLHFnw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOOWpUrW_ww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-usmvYOPfco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUL1bIkdpTo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFn3Dn1-v4g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFn3Dn1-v4g
Seven good examples of calm discourse
That’s hilarious Paul.
Aren’t Hillary and Obama the racists and xenophobes for not lifting a finger for the black citizens of my hometown, Chicago, who are being slaughtered in the streets? Chicago has very strict gun laws thanks to Hillary and Obama, which leaves the black citizens defenseless. Not a word or any outrage from Hillary or Obama.
In 2016 so far, there have been 2,539 shooting victims with 389 murders. http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/. Hillary and Obama seem content to leave blacks in Chicago at the mercy of the thugs and gangs. That is true racism.
Trump hasn’t killed anyone or gotten anyone shot.
Brian – just last week you linked to a book alleging accusing Secretary Clinton of murder.
Daniel – similarly last week you linked to an article suggesting that the men and women who died serving our country in Iraq and Afghanistan were complicit in their own deaths.
Both of you should take pride in the party of Trump – you built it.
Brian, OK I got about four videos deep and I get your “both sides doit ” meme, however I don’t recall anybody seriously accusing a Republican of being the Anti-Christ or wanting to destroy America. There were at least three videos on right wing web sites that “proved” that the evil negroe was indeed the Anti-Christ. My point being that the fact there was now blow back to this crap ends up making people like me think that you welcome this kind of garbage to your party.
Dan, Please explain how Clinton or Heusien were responsible for Chi-towns gun laws. I’m sure you love Chicago as long as it’s the north (white) side. I’m also sure that Clinton and the devil(Barack) are high fiving with every murder because , of course, that’s how they planned it all along. They obviously want blacks to kill each other……….right?
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Paul, a lot of Republicans (including me) have rejected Trump and his nonsense. Will you denounce Clinton, right here and now? Here is the problem; both candidates are horrible.
Principled Republicans recognize that Trump is a disaster while Democrats refuse to clean up their house. Here is your chance to do so in public.
Brian, First of all I’m not a Democrat. The Democratic party, particularly in California, is only interested in collecting money and power which makes them no different than Republicans. That being said, if Clinton will be another four years of the evil, America hating, Christian killing negroe, then I’m OK with that. I’m glad you recognize Trump as a disaster. In my opinion, the complete Republican field was a disaster.
One simple acronym for all the NeverTrump types SCOTUS. All of your beloved principles go down the crapper if HRC appoints 3-4 Judges. I agree with Trump 82% of the time. That passes Reagan’s test of 80% to be an friend and ally.
Brian,
Who gets to define what the Republican Party is, and is not?
It seems to me, that there are basically two competing schools of thought.
The first argues that the GOP has developed core principles and values, rules, structures, and an ecosystem of elected leaders, donors, think tanks, staffers, media, etc. These core assets were cultivated carefully over many decades, and you are probably considered a part of it. One school of thought argues that it is these core values and institutions carry the inertia of a long party history, and constitute the essential nature of the Party. From this context, Donald Trump is an anomaly–a blip out of place–a temporary mistake, and that we will return to our regularly scheduled programming whenever he fades from the public view.
The alternative view is that the party is defined from the bottom up. That the great red hoi polloi define the Party, and that the establishment orthodoxy described above serves only to reflect their will and viewpoint.
In this world, the party you supported doesn’t exist anymore. The carefully cultivated core values have been ripped out by the roots. Out with Lincoln, in with Trump and Duke. Out with the 50 foreign policy insiders who rejected Trump this week, in with Tweet diplomacy.
If this worldview turns out to be the correct one, the Party of Trump will have to build a new orthodoxy, with leaders, and new core values–or maybe they will just make it up as they go and build a cult of personality free from any compass or rudder.
If this worldview is right, you’ve got a decision to make. Will you still be a Republican after that name has changed its meaning?
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“The alternative view is that the party is defined from the bottom up.”
I agree, ED but those ‘oi polloi you describe were many disaffected Democrats who re-registered to vote in the crowded Republican primary. Most Republican voters did NOT vote for Trump which is why his nomination is contentious
“Will you still be a Republican after that name has changed its meaning?”
I’m not interested in giving time nor money to a group which supports tariffs, trade restrictions, and isolationism. I’m not ready to cede that the GOP becomes that party (even if Trump pulls off the miraculous and wins).
The one thing Trump has going for him is that he is not Hillary Clinton. I really wish Democrats would be more vocal about how she is detached from their core principles.
Paul: I was born at 63rd and Wentworth in Chicago, a poor black gang area. Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t have any white privilege.
Try as I might, I could not find a single thing that Hillary has done to help combat the slaughter of black citizens in Chicago in her entire history. As recently as June, she was still calling to make gun laws tougher in Chicago. Hillary wants to put the black citizens of Chicago at the mercy of the gangs that have plenty of guns. Sounds like she doesn’t care if they get killed or not.
Hillary’s lack of compassion for poor blacks in Chicago is the most racist thing I’ve encountered in a long time.
Dan,
Let’s set aside for a moment the fact that Hilary Clinton has never been elected or appointed to any position in, near, or representing Chicago (which is kind of a big deal in the context of your accusation).
If all you say is true, you must conclude that African Americans are really really stupid voters. After all, polls indicate that they intend to vote overwhelmingly for an overt racist who by omission or commission advocates for the slaughter of innocent African American lives in Chicago.
Either they are very dumb, or they know things you don’t. What might those things be?
Maybe they know that while they lag the progress made by some other cities, Chicago has actually cut their murder rate in half over the last few decades, and your hyberbolic accusations don’t reflect reality.
Or maybe they know that virtually all guns used in crime in Chicago come from outside the city limits, and more than half come from out of state. Maybe they realize that local gun control is ineffective, and that your party fights against common sense national measures that would slow the inflow of crime weapons used in Chicago–measures which the majority of Americans and Hillary Clinton support.
Or maybe they realize that the real racists are making things up to stoke fear.
Personally, I don’t know whether African Americans believe these things, but–you know–many people are saying.
Many people.
Dan, What would you suggest be done to correct this blatant Democrat racism? You have convinced me that they obviously really want all these black people to kill each other . Perhaps that’s why alot of white conservatives will vote for her. BTW: Welcome to da hood my brother!
Forgive me for sounding cynical. But does anybody real believe this movement will end when he campaigns on “the system is rigged.” Do you thing those people who believe that to varying degrees will embrace the never Trumpers telling them “see I told you so.” And another 4 years of seeing this country go to Hell while they have to downsize their quality of life further?
Is it not the platform of the Republican party to protect the American people from that? Not telling Republicans “see we told you so.” Fu– ing aye, fight this leftist sh– that’s fu-ing up our country.
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“Fu– ing aye, fight this leftist sh– that’s fu-ing up our country”
I actually think I’m doing that by denouncing Trump. He’s a progressive, through and through. It took me until 2010 to realize that there are so many big government progressives in the Republican Party. Oh, they are “conservative” on some issues but, in order to achieve their right-wing progressive utopia, they have no problem using government.
I reject right-wing and left-wing progressives, regardless of party affiliation
Chris, Let me give you an example of the Republican platform: designating coal as a “clean” energy source. As far as another four years of this country going to hell,what were your thoughts at the end of Bush’s last term?
Brian, Please define “progressive”.
Brian has been anti-Trump from the beginning. He deserves credit for that. The people mostly responsible for Trump’s rise are Trump and his voters. But there is blame to share. Obama deserves some blame for the way he mocked Trump at the White House Correspondent’s Dinner a few years back. Everything is personal to Trump so I would not be surprised if his run for office is a personal vendetta to show up Obama. I agree with Paul on who deserves a good share of the blame. Hannity, Greta, Fox News gave Trump a platform for his crude punditry for years. Plus, the anti-establishmenters helped create Trump by making the false argument that it would be so easy to stop Obama if only the GOP House and the Senate had the will to just say no. That pesky veto power and the filibuster notwithstanding. The comic tragedy in this is how Cruz, who used to be the anti-establishment’s darling and who helped lead the shutdown charge, was given his walking papers by Hannity and his ilk who have rushed to abandon their years of self-proclaimed pure conservative principles to be close to Trump. But celebrity corrupts. Absolutely. We’re doomed. Great day to you all!
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“Please define “progressive”. ”
Using government, extraconstitutionally, to achieve some sort of utopian goals.
“But there is blame to share.”
Absolutely. Frankly, I think Clintons played the right-wing media like fiddles. They knew the appetite for a Perot-type was huge and knew just the right buttons to push. Trump was the perfect plant for “Project GOP Mayhem”
If Trump was a leftist stooge. The GOP was accountable for stopping him. He knew our base better than you do. sad.
Maybe you are all leftist stooges. I don’t know anymore. I’m tired of complaining. I want the assholes on the left to complain for a change.
How is stupid ideology going to make that happen? Results. Not excuses.
The problem with “ideology” is that it really isn’t ideological. Conservatives say they are for less government but not when it comes to military intervention or social policies. Progressives say that they are for more government but not when it comes to defense or regulating social behavior. The bottom line is that progressives want to over-regulate your business, conservatives want to over-regulate your life and most of the regular public would rather just be left alone.