Originally published by Communities Digital News
SAN DIEGO, Nov. 20, 2015 — This time it was Paris, but the savages who boastfully accept responsibility for the slaughter say that next time it will be New York City, Washington, D. C., or someplace similar.
There has been another horrific attack. Theaters, stadiums and cafes, places civilized people go to unwind from a hard day at work and to enjoy themselves, have been left splattered with blood.
Once again, the perpetrators—ISIS—claim that they acted for the sake of their faith, Islam.
Once again, instead of taking them at their word, people are seeking out any other possible explanation. It is an attempt to explain the unthinkable by hiding from the obvious: “Sometimes people do evil things simply because they are evil; therefore they enjoy an evil ideology which gives them a green light.”
Once again, everyone from President Obama to former Secretary of State and presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to media pundits is lecturing sanctimoniously about what a beautiful religion of peace Islam is. They say that those who say they kill in the name of Islam are not its true representatives. They accuse anyone who ties the word “terrorism” to Islam of bigotry.
Referring to the actions of ISIS as “terror in the name of Islam” is not bigotry; it takes the killers at their word. Is their claim true? Do the representatives of ISIS have bonafide Islamic teachings to justify their acts?
We must start with the Quran. It is the Quran itself that is being held up to scrutiny here, not the entire Muslim world population.
There are many peaceful Muslims who hate what ISIS has done. But while every Muslim must be judged on an individual basis, Islam itself is another matter. Surah 9 and many other passages of the Koran really do call upon Muslims to conquer the world, offering “infidels” the choice of converting, submitting to Muslim rule or death.
That is a powerful and controversial claim that raises many objections:
“But only the terrorists take those words seriously.”
No. The terrorists interpret the Koran accurately, but many Muslims who are not terrorists still take those passages seriously. After all, to them, the Koran is sacred scripture.
“Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you” (Surah 9).
“Mohammed is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to unbelievers but merciful to one another” (Surah 48).
“Aren’t those verses taken out of context?”
Context is important. What the original speaker means to say and what his original hearers understand him to mean are the context. Mohammad really did wage these kinds of wars. The words are not being taken out of context.
“Then is there no such thing as a moderate Muslim?”
Many Muslims call themselves moderate, but the Koran leaves no room for moderation. Those who consider themselves moderate Muslims are only nominal Muslims.
What do we mean by nominal? There are people who know almost nothing about the Bible other than a few choice ideas taken out of context, people who call themselves “Christians” because they were raised to call themselves “Christians.” These are nominal Christians.
There are likewise many people born into Muslim countries or raised by Muslim families, who if you asked them if they believed in the Quran would say, “yes.” If you asked if they believed in the jihad, they would deny it and they would be telling the truth. There are millions of such people, and yes, they are peaceful Muslims.
There are also Muslims who see the jihad verses and choose to interpret them differently.
However, any Muslim who takes the Quran seriously and literally, who truly understands the entire message, not only accepts the Jihad commands, but also believes that it is okay to lie during a time of war.
Mohammad says it himself:
“Lying is wrong, except in three things; the lie of a man to his wife to make her content with him, a lie to an enemy, for war is deception, or a lie to settle trouble between people” (Hadith, Mussnad Ahmad 6:459).
If Muslims are allowed to lie during a time of war and deny that they believe in jihad, a serious question begs to be asked: When is militant Islam not at war?
This explains why the idea of a “moderate” organization like CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) having ties to terrorist groups is not a stretch of the imagination.
Although CAIR officials deny the connection, FBI agent Lara Burns, giving testimony at a 2010 trial regarding CAIR’s connection with the Palestine Committee and its relationship to Hamas, read from the transcript of a 1993 Hamas supporter group in Philadelphia that discussed the idea of starting a new organization with a less threatening name. She quoted Holy Land Foundation President Shukri Abu Baker:
“And let’s not hoist a large Islamic flag, and let’s not be barbaric-talking. We will remain a front so that if the thing happens, we will benefit from the new happenings instead of having all of our organizations classified and exposed.”
Daniel Pipes and Sharon Chadha pointed to similar connections in a 2005 article for Front Page Magazine: “The Institute of Islamic Thought, an institution linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, gave CAIR’s Washington office $14,000.00 in 2003.”
Whether we’re talking about the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas or the most current horrific incarnation of evil, ISIS, each organization is really the same cereal in different boxes. The accurate title describing all of them is Militant Islam.
Although “militant Islam” is really just the literal teaching of the Quran, we can use the term as a conventional reference point. In doing so we distinguish peaceful from non-peaceful Muslims.
All branches of militant Islam have declared war on the non-Muslim and have specifically articulated this goal as war against United States. Since they get their cues from the Quran and not U.S. Middle Eastern policy, we’d best put away the self imposed guilt, mindless diplomacy, and ultimately useless surgical military responses. The only way to end this war is to truly win this war.
Yes, there are many nominal Muslims, but a dedicated Muslim who accepts the Quran literally and truly understands it is not allowed to be moderate. It is time for U.S. foreign policy to end its own moderation.
This is Bob Siegel, making the obvious, obvious.
Bob Siegel is a weekend radio talk show host on KCBQ and a columnist. Details of his show can be found at www.bobsiegel.net
Comments on Bob’s columns are often read aloud and responded to by Bob over the air. Readers are welcome to call in and “respond to the response.” Details of the radio show, regarding time, day and call in number can be found on Bob’s Website.
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Bob,
For argument’s sake, let’s say I accept that your entire post was just “making the obvious, obvious.” What, specifically, do you propose we do about it?
Should we give up on the idea of forming coalitions with the more moderate Arab countries because there is no such thing as a moderate Arab?
Should we try to kill the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims? If so, where do we start? Jordan? Egypt? Saudi Arabia? Or do we start where most Muslims reside, in Indonesia and India?
What about American Muslims? Internment camps or death?
I doubt you are seriously proposing genocide of 25% of the world’s population so I seriously would like to know your solution?
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You read every word of my article and you did not read one single word which even came close to suggesting the outrageous things you are listing. Or were you choosing to deliberately ignore the part where I drew a distinction between peaceful Muslims and Muslims who have waged war against the United States?
Nevertheless I will respond to your comment over the air on my radio show today. You are welcome to call in and “respond to my response.” I won’t be holding my breath.
A conservative talk show host pretending to be the true and correct interpreter of Islam’s holy book. Super helpful!
Bob,
You still didn’t answer my question: What is your solution?
Author
Jimmy, I’ve actually read the Koran. There is no “interpretation.” It speaks for itself. But if you feel that being a “conservative talk show host” disqualifies me from discussing certain subjects while you yourself have a right to pop off about my articles based on your own emotional, fact challenged opinions, as you just did in your comment, you are welcome to call me sometime and discuss this over the air.
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Hypocrisy, the question was answered in the manner I promised to answer it, on my radio show. I already explained in a similar comment a while back why I do my debates in real time rather than over written messages on the Internet. But I will tell you again. Written Internet debate never ends. In the time I would take to keep making my points I could just as easily refer you to a multiplicity of articles I have written on the subject or write a new article. It is a time concern. However, a conversation in real time or a face to face debate is something I am always willing to do provided ground rules are established.
http://bobsiegel.net/wp/2015/11/29/god-of-the-koran-or-god-of-the-bible/
Bob,
I did take the time to listen to your podcast (thank you for posting a link). You mostly said what we shouldn’t do, but you did list one thing we should do, and I quote, “wage war against radical Islam or any country that harbors radical Islamic terrorists.”
Are you suggesting that we should begin an all-out war against Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Yemen, Syria and Afghanistan (I am sure there are others)?
The one thing we SHOULD do is to allow no further Muslim immigration into the U.S. There are many worthy and harmless people around the world longing to come to our country. Let’s limit those immigration slots to people who will help America — while NOT presenting a possible terrorist threat to our country.
There’s a VERY good front-page article in the WALL ST JOURNAL 11/30/15 — describing how German officials are belatedly concerned that the arriving Muslim refugees who are NOT ISIL agents will be turned INTO Islamic Jihadists by the existing radical clerics infesting the current German mosques.
That’s the point I’ve been making — Muslims are the ONLY immigrants we have to worry about being hidden terrorists in our midst — now, two years from now, or decades into the future. As has been painfully learned, the CHILDREN of these Muslims (parents who might themselves be appreciative and law-abiding immigrants) too often will attend mosques where radical Islamism reigns supreme. If these refugees and their descendants are not drawn into the dark side, it won’t be from a lack of effort by radical Muslim clerics.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/german-officials-warn-of-new-security-risk-local-extremists-recruiting-refugees-1448846681
German Officials Warn of New Security Risk: Local Extremists Recruiting Refugees
Migrants are increasingly ending up at mosques attended by Islamist
RUTH BENDER
Nov. 29, 2015 8:24 p.m. ET
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BERLIN—The Paris attacks have raised fears of terrorists slipping into Europe by posing as refugees. But in Germany, the top migrant destination, security officials have another worry: Local extremists will recruit the newcomers to join the Islamist cause once they arrive.
German authorities warn that migrants seeking out Arabic-language mosques in search of the familiar are increasingly ending up at those attended by Islamist radicals. In interviews, security officials from Berlin to the southwest German state of Saarland said they have registered a sharp rise in the number of asylum-seekers attending mosques they believed attracted extremists.
Federal officials said they have counted more than 100 cases in which Islamists known to them have tried to establish contact with refugees. According to state and local agencies across the country, Islamists have offered migrants rides, food, shelter and translation help. In some cases, they have invited them to soccer games and grill parties, or brought them copies of the Quran and conservative Muslim clothing.
“They start by saying, ‘We will help you live your faith,’ ” said Torsten Voss, the head of the German domestic intelligence agency’s Hamburg branch. “The Islamist area comes later—that is, of course, their goal.”
Security officials across Germany describe the potential radicalization of migrants, still entering the country by the thousands every day, as a challenge that adds to Europe’s existing security threats. With Germany expecting to take in roughly one million asylum-seekers from the Middle East and elsewhere this year, authorities are scrambling to prevent new pockets of radicalism from forming.
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Richard we have about 3 million self identified Muslims in America and had around 60 attacks since 1970. That’s a fraction of a fraction of percent that has engaged in attacks on our soil.
These attacks are horrific an sensationalized by the media. That’s what terrorism is trying to do. They want us to be more hostile to our native muslims so our society and government will drive them to radicalization. It’s cheaper than recruiting for them by having us do their work.
Here’s a good news story why the US does a better job than the Europeans [SPOILER: we’re not socialist]
http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21615611-why-muslims-fare-better-america-europe-islamic-yet-integrated
BINGO RED RYDER. Take a lesson from the IRA. I had an Arab in custody 25 years ago. The FBI wanted to use him. He was affiliated with palastinian malcontents.
These Arabs were check-kiting in San Diego and living in Baja. My point is Terror is part of the Art of War It has always been with us and always will be.
I am from the days of Black Sept. Abul Nidal, Savak. I think Richard Rider sums it up. Difference today is the Internet. One needs an honest leader. In 1984 Reagan closed the border, following the abduction of Agent KiKi Camarena. (DEA)
Hunter and Muriel Watson did Light up the Border. Grupo Beta was created. As JFK once suggested we need to turn the CIA and the Mercs upside down.
Lets get to the sick bottom line of this. Obama wants Syrian refugees coming here because he believes the majority of which will vote Democrat. I’d imagine that the majority of these refugees don’t want to leave their ancesteral homeland and come to a nation that will greet them with suspicion even among our fellow Muslim Americans. He would displace hundreds of thousands of people, allow many to continue to die decapitation, crucifixion and being burned alive because he puts more priority on global warming. God help us if Hilliary wins and continues that agenda..