I will tell you what continues to be faster than a speeding bullet! Our President’s continued illegal violations of the Constitution he swore to uphold. What a shame a whole generation of mindless sheep are being indoctrinated by UNION teaching sloths and common core to not even study or learn the basic principles of the Constitution!
IMPEACH!
Ya know...
It’s missing “pew!” right next to the end of the barrel?
Not my district
Oh, for God’s sake, it has the entire cartridge exiting the barrel, not just the bullet.
Barry Jantz
Cool. Reusable. Just like wash and wear. Where can I get me some?
In a very real way, nothing is wrong with this. It rightly shows that those attempting to make public policy regarding your firearm rights have no idea what they are talking about.
Hypocrisy questioned
Michael,
They may not understand how a gun works and I am not sure why you think they need to. They do know there have been 74 school shootings in the last 18 months so they do understand what happens when one is used. Isn’t that the more important point?
I agree with HQ. Knowing how the gun works is irrelevant. That no one is faster than a speeding bullet is relevant. School shootings are relevant. So, let’s just be clear that school shooters are also not faster than a speeding bullet. Guns in the hands of trained teachers and authorities on campus would go a long way.
Michael A. Schwartz
As your link points out, it would help if they could at least identify what is and what is not a school shooting. It turns out that 15 of the 74 school shootings were actually school shootings. I believe that is a level of expertise we could agree on.
I would much prefer people who understand a subject affect public policy. Wouldn’t you?
Otherwise they’ll start coming up with arbitrary criteria for gun ownership like how a firearm looks or how many cartridges a magazine can hold or where a law-abiding citizen can and cannot protect their self by bearing arms. And in the end the problem won’t be solved.
Specifically you brought up school shootings, we all remember the NRA stood firm against “universal background checks” after the Newtown massacre even though a background check wouldn’t have stopped the insane killer responsible for that tragedy from killing his mother to take her firearms. What got lost about the NRA’s stance by groups like the one who made this flyer is the NRA stood for armed protection for kids in schools and fixing the background check system so that mental health issues are reported and attempts by felons to buy firearms result in arrest.
If given the choice between a group whose job it is to be firearms experts and a group who doesn’t know the difference between a bullet and a cartridge, I am going to continue to rely on the guidance of a knowledgeable group.
Hypocrisy questioned
Michael,
That is like saying that those who don’t understand the workings of an internal combustion engine shouldn’t be allowed to be the ones that set speed limits.
As for “only” 15 of the incidents actually being school shootings, does that mean you are OK with approximately one per month?
I honestly don’t know how I feel about armed guards at school. On the one hand, there is the cost or the potential for a minimum-wage earning guard to be burnt out and the idea that I don’t want our schools to look like prisons. On the other hand, what we are doing now isn’t working…
Michael A. Schwartz
What I said is different than saying that those who don’t understand the workings of an internal combustion engine shouldn’t be allowed to be the ones that set speed limits.
What I said is more akin to believing that those who know nothing about the safe operating standards of a car, have never driven a car, or ever taken time to learn about the subject of cars are not a good resource for crafting public policy around operating cars. It’d be better to find an expert.
How do I know the people who made this flyer know nothing about their subject? I know because they created a picture of an unfired cartridge coming out of the end of a gun barrel. The actual knowledge of how a firearm works is just the evidence that helps prove they aren’t the subject matter experts. They’re just capitalizing on tragedy to move forward their existing agenda. They aren’t attempting to solve a problem; they are attempting to assign a problem to their already determined “solution”.
“Only” is the difference between a high number like 74 and a low number like 15, not the lack of importance I place on children’s safety. That is precisely why I want actual solutions that can only be provided by experts who know what they are talking about and not political maneuvering by those who never let a crisis go to waste.
“That is like saying that those who don’t understand the workings of an internal combustion engine shouldn’t be allowed to be the ones that set speed limits.”
That’s actually a legitimate statement. Xenophobia is the root of most bad laws
Hypocrisy questioned
Michael,
I am in 90% agreement with your position on guns, but you do yourself no favors when you write things like “a low number like 15” in reference to school shootings.
Michael A. Schwartz
I agree that even one school shooting ever is an unthinkable tragedy. The pain the families and victims must have felt is horrible. It saddens me to think about.
I think that’s why I get so worked up when I see groups like the one that made this flyer equate the horrible pain of the victims of a school shooting with something like a”personal argument” (an example in the CNN article you posted). Inflating numbers from 15 all the way up to an enormous 74 to fool people because they want further a political agenda isn’t fair to the victims of school shootings or their grieving families.
We need to care enough about the safety of our children to put aside personal politics and resist the temptation to intentionally inflate statistics (like 15 to 74). Instead, use honesty and rely on experts to show us real solutions.
One example of those 74 “school shootings.” A 9 PM drug deal on the playground that went bad. I say again — 9 PM.
Hypocrisy questioned
Richard,
I get it. There really weren’t 74 “school” shootings. As Michael pointed out, there were probably only 15 times in the last 18 months that some deranged person went on to a school site during the school day and started shooting innocent students. I feel much better knowing that.
No, no, HQ. It was 932 deranged shooters on school campuses — PER WEEK!! Let’s just make stuff up — after all, liberals mean well, and the end justifies the means.
You progressives will lie to make a point. I get that. After all, anything for the cause.
To point out these lies is somehow wrong. I think “hateful” is your side’s preferred term for pointing out leftie errors in facts or logic — second only to “racist.” Good to know.
Michael A. Schwartz
It goes back to what this thread is all about: competence.
Their flyer shows it. Their attempt at statistics shows it. We have the choice to listen to the competent and too many chose not to because the reality the competent point out is not their preferred reality.
Michael A. Schwartz
(to clarify, their flyer and inaccurate statistics show a LACK of competence)
Hypocrisy questioned
Richard,
I am still waiting for the thread where you stick to the issues and can avoid making personal attacks.
Mike Erl
HONEST TO GOD. Whoops caps. Honest to God, Big 5 was out of 22 cal rim fire. I had an urge to buy Ammo. So I bought 410 and , get this 7.62 cal. I dont own a 7.62 rifle. I was flashing back to 1969, when Henry Kissinger gave me a m-14 for free.
However I did find out that Big 5 gets rimfire on ______. I also found out that on _______ I can sell boxes of rimfire in front of SoCal for three times the price of Big 5. Now that is top dog profit.. I have been told that ATF cant touch me. lol
I am faster that a speeding bullet.
Michael A. Schwartz
Mike Erl, if I understood your Kessinger reference correctly: thank you for your service.
Try cheaperthandirt.com or bulkammo.com for .22. Manufacturers haven’t been able to keep up with demand and have been redirecting efforts to center fire rather than rim fire.
But do it quick. CA Democrats are about to pass a registration/background check process for buying ammo which will end all internet sales (if I’m reading it correctly). Which is a big, expensive hassle for the sane, law-abiding gun owner, but does nothing to stop murderers.
If you still can’t find, you may want to contact the people who made this flyer to see how their reusable ammo is working.
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Michael, if you are really trying to understand what is being said, it may be best to sum it up in two words used. “Flashing back.”
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I will tell you what continues to be faster than a speeding bullet! Our President’s continued illegal violations of the Constitution he swore to uphold. What a shame a whole generation of mindless sheep are being indoctrinated by UNION teaching sloths and common core to not even study or learn the basic principles of the Constitution!
IMPEACH!
It’s missing “pew!” right next to the end of the barrel?
Oh, for God’s sake, it has the entire cartridge exiting the barrel, not just the bullet.
Cool. Reusable. Just like wash and wear. Where can I get me some?
Now THAT is funny!
You mean, they don’t work that way?
In a very real way, nothing is wrong with this. It rightly shows that those attempting to make public policy regarding your firearm rights have no idea what they are talking about.
Michael,
They may not understand how a gun works and I am not sure why you think they need to. They do know there have been 74 school shootings in the last 18 months so they do understand what happens when one is used. Isn’t that the more important point?
(http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/us/school-shootings-cnn-number/)
I agree with HQ. Knowing how the gun works is irrelevant. That no one is faster than a speeding bullet is relevant. School shootings are relevant. So, let’s just be clear that school shooters are also not faster than a speeding bullet. Guns in the hands of trained teachers and authorities on campus would go a long way.
As your link points out, it would help if they could at least identify what is and what is not a school shooting. It turns out that 15 of the 74 school shootings were actually school shootings. I believe that is a level of expertise we could agree on.
I would much prefer people who understand a subject affect public policy. Wouldn’t you?
Otherwise they’ll start coming up with arbitrary criteria for gun ownership like how a firearm looks or how many cartridges a magazine can hold or where a law-abiding citizen can and cannot protect their self by bearing arms. And in the end the problem won’t be solved.
Specifically you brought up school shootings, we all remember the NRA stood firm against “universal background checks” after the Newtown massacre even though a background check wouldn’t have stopped the insane killer responsible for that tragedy from killing his mother to take her firearms. What got lost about the NRA’s stance by groups like the one who made this flyer is the NRA stood for armed protection for kids in schools and fixing the background check system so that mental health issues are reported and attempts by felons to buy firearms result in arrest.
Here is the most recent example of a school shooting stopped from turning into a massacre because the school followed the NRA’s advice by having armed school resource officers: http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2014/06/oregon_school_shooting_21_minu.html
If given the choice between a group whose job it is to be firearms experts and a group who doesn’t know the difference between a bullet and a cartridge, I am going to continue to rely on the guidance of a knowledgeable group.
Michael,
That is like saying that those who don’t understand the workings of an internal combustion engine shouldn’t be allowed to be the ones that set speed limits.
As for “only” 15 of the incidents actually being school shootings, does that mean you are OK with approximately one per month?
I honestly don’t know how I feel about armed guards at school. On the one hand, there is the cost or the potential for a minimum-wage earning guard to be burnt out and the idea that I don’t want our schools to look like prisons. On the other hand, what we are doing now isn’t working…
What I said is different than saying that those who don’t understand the workings of an internal combustion engine shouldn’t be allowed to be the ones that set speed limits.
What I said is more akin to believing that those who know nothing about the safe operating standards of a car, have never driven a car, or ever taken time to learn about the subject of cars are not a good resource for crafting public policy around operating cars. It’d be better to find an expert.
How do I know the people who made this flyer know nothing about their subject? I know because they created a picture of an unfired cartridge coming out of the end of a gun barrel. The actual knowledge of how a firearm works is just the evidence that helps prove they aren’t the subject matter experts. They’re just capitalizing on tragedy to move forward their existing agenda. They aren’t attempting to solve a problem; they are attempting to assign a problem to their already determined “solution”.
“Only” is the difference between a high number like 74 and a low number like 15, not the lack of importance I place on children’s safety. That is precisely why I want actual solutions that can only be provided by experts who know what they are talking about and not political maneuvering by those who never let a crisis go to waste.
“That is like saying that those who don’t understand the workings of an internal combustion engine shouldn’t be allowed to be the ones that set speed limits.”
That’s actually a legitimate statement. Xenophobia is the root of most bad laws
Michael,
I am in 90% agreement with your position on guns, but you do yourself no favors when you write things like “a low number like 15” in reference to school shootings.
I agree that even one school shooting ever is an unthinkable tragedy. The pain the families and victims must have felt is horrible. It saddens me to think about.
I think that’s why I get so worked up when I see groups like the one that made this flyer equate the horrible pain of the victims of a school shooting with something like a”personal argument” (an example in the CNN article you posted). Inflating numbers from 15 all the way up to an enormous 74 to fool people because they want further a political agenda isn’t fair to the victims of school shootings or their grieving families.
We need to care enough about the safety of our children to put aside personal politics and resist the temptation to intentionally inflate statistics (like 15 to 74). Instead, use honesty and rely on experts to show us real solutions.
One example of those 74 “school shootings.” A 9 PM drug deal on the playground that went bad. I say again — 9 PM.
Richard,
I get it. There really weren’t 74 “school” shootings. As Michael pointed out, there were probably only 15 times in the last 18 months that some deranged person went on to a school site during the school day and started shooting innocent students. I feel much better knowing that.
No, no, HQ. It was 932 deranged shooters on school campuses — PER WEEK!! Let’s just make stuff up — after all, liberals mean well, and the end justifies the means.
You progressives will lie to make a point. I get that. After all, anything for the cause.
To point out these lies is somehow wrong. I think “hateful” is your side’s preferred term for pointing out leftie errors in facts or logic — second only to “racist.” Good to know.
It goes back to what this thread is all about: competence.
Their flyer shows it. Their attempt at statistics shows it. We have the choice to listen to the competent and too many chose not to because the reality the competent point out is not their preferred reality.
(to clarify, their flyer and inaccurate statistics show a LACK of competence)
Richard,
I am still waiting for the thread where you stick to the issues and can avoid making personal attacks.
HONEST TO GOD. Whoops caps. Honest to God, Big 5 was out of 22 cal rim fire. I had an urge to buy Ammo. So I bought 410 and , get this 7.62 cal. I dont own a 7.62 rifle. I was flashing back to 1969, when Henry Kissinger gave me a m-14 for free.
However I did find out that Big 5 gets rimfire on ______. I also found out that on _______ I can sell boxes of rimfire in front of SoCal for three times the price of Big 5. Now that is top dog profit.. I have been told that ATF cant touch me. lol
I am faster that a speeding bullet.
Mike Erl, if I understood your Kessinger reference correctly: thank you for your service.
Try cheaperthandirt.com or bulkammo.com for .22. Manufacturers haven’t been able to keep up with demand and have been redirecting efforts to center fire rather than rim fire.
But do it quick. CA Democrats are about to pass a registration/background check process for buying ammo which will end all internet sales (if I’m reading it correctly). Which is a big, expensive hassle for the sane, law-abiding gun owner, but does nothing to stop murderers.
If you still can’t find, you may want to contact the people who made this flyer to see how their reusable ammo is working.
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Michael, if you are really trying to understand what is being said, it may be best to sum it up in two words used. “Flashing back.”
There you may have it.