San Diegans Feel the Bern

Elliot Schroeder Elliot Schroeder 24 Comments

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Bernie Sanders campaigned in San Diego yesterday (March 22). This is his only official stop in California on this trip. The event was free and open to the public, but admission was first come, first served. By mid-morning Monday his website had stopped accepting reservations.

Unfortunately, for Bernie fans who missed it, I sense that the irony was missed.

What better way to demonstrate what a Socialist Presidency would be like than to have a limited resource given out for free and have most people excluded from it. San Diegans berned indeed.

Elliot Schroeder is a candidate for the 77AD Republican Central Committee. Learn more about him at vote4elliot.org

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  1. In disguise, I went to the Sanders rally to check it out. I talked to many Sanders supporters who have no love for Hillary. Many were dyed in the wool socialists who have never paid taxes, while others liked the idea of Hillary getting indicted, and how Donald Trump is saying a big fu– you to the Republican party. Just an observation.

  2. Thanks. I’ve gotten that view as well. The theme of 2016 seems to be establishment vs anti-establishment. Blue states that the Democrats think they always get may not be true in this different climate. The red ones are probably more predictable since we’ve had 8 years of the other party in DC.

  3. “San Diegans berned indeed” – how sophomoric.

    Let’s start with the facts: the people who stayed in line, and the line was over a mile long, all eventually did make it into the Convention Center, which reported 9,000 people in Halls D & E and 6,000 in the overflow Hall C that was opened up to accommodate the massive turnout. That is over 15,000 who were able to enter the halls to hear Senator Sanders speak.

    There were probably over 20,000 that actually came out to show their support for Sanders throughout the day. People who enjoyed the incredible experience of seeing so many San Diegans show up for a political candidate, but only stayed for a few hours– like we did.

    My husband and I arrived in downtown at 5pm with our kids, we parked in a high-rise garage and could hear people coming from their offices yelling to others “are you gonna go see Bernie?” One guy in a suit gave a thumbs up and said he was “gonna change real quick” another group of women waved and said “we’re on our way!” We came down from Rancho Bernardo and got a text from a friend who had come from Carmel Valley: “line is insane, should I save you a spot?” We told him instead to meet us at The Basic for a quick bite, we didn’t care as much about not being able to get into the convention center, we just wanted to see the people there, be part of the massive San Diego turnout for this independent presidential candidate, and we wanted our kids to see history in the making, democracy in action.

    The waitress at The Basic apologized that service might be slow (“most of our staff asked to leave early to go see Bernie!”) and we were seated next to a business colleague from Carlsbad that I recognized, he was wearing his Bernie Sanders shirt and introduced us to his friends who had brought their little boy along. He said the line was ridiculous, went all around the convention center and into the marina, they had fun hanging out with all of the supporters but were going to home to watch the speech via live stream.

    We made our way to the convention center and I wouldn’t say it was as crowded as ComicCon but it was the second most crowded I have seen that area. We walked the line, amazed at the diversity, positive signage, friendly people, everyone in a great mood, completely organized and we just walked and walked to end of the convention center, around the side by the Marriott, curved back into the marina, into the park and that was where it was unbelievable. There were thousands of people in orderly lines without any outside organization talking about policy, where they came from, why they came out and the line went clear around the park a few times, by Joe’s Crab Shack, until the sun went down.

    These were not stupid people. They were primarily in their 20s and 30s but there were people of all ages, and of all backgrounds. I found them to be well-traveled, well-read and incredibly positive and motivated to have our elected leaders make smarter choices.

    As a business owner, mother, wife, and consultant to public agencies and tech startups/VCs, I know to always seek clear facts and evidence, see for myself what is actually happening on the ground, and avoid labels, especially when they are outdated.

    There weren’t any news cameras or reporters covering that incredible mile-ling line in the park. There were news helicopters hovering overhead, but I have yet to see any video footage or more than one photo of park of the park shared via Twitter. (I will buy anyone a beer who shares aerial video of the line going from the convention center to the marina and all around the park). I have seen photos from only a young UT field reporter– the media really missed covering this important political event that I believe made history in San Diego.

    Has there ever been a mile-long line for any political event in our city? I remember working press advance for the 1996 presidential campaign and attending the Dole/Kemp rally at the waterfront, which had “great turnout” with a few thousand, as well as attending the Clinton/Gore rally at Balboa Park organ pavilion, and since that was the campaign I worked for I know how hard it was to fill just 2,000 and that was for a sitting president.

    Friends, please read factual information as you consider this important presidential campaign. I have family who live in Germany, Norway and other parts of the world who enjoy strong economies, universal health care and public education through university. I have traveled to places like Iceland, Canada, Europe, Latin America, North and South Africa to witness successful social democratic systems firsthand. Those countries are not perfect, just like our own USA is not perfect, but they achieve better results in education and health care access for their citizens and we too can make smarter choices — and some investments — in our own infrastructure and national systems.

    Please offer more than name calling and incorrect information on here. Please share how and why Trump, Cruz, Kasich or Clinton are a better option than Sanders to lead our country?

    And if you want to see video and photos of what actually happened at the Sanders event you can see what I shared on Twitter @GabrielaDow or Facebook https://www.facebook.com/gaby.dow/posts/10153652805752981?notif_t=like

  4. Thank you for your post. But, I think you missed the larger point. Yes, a lot of people went to see Bernie. Even more people will want free health care, college and so on. Just as you experienced long waits, as well as those that didn’t go at all, that is also what happens when you offer a limited item for free to everyone that wants it. You’ll either wait a long time or not get it at all as more clamor for it than there is available. It’s a lesson surprisingly lost to people backing the Senator.

    It’s what will happen to college and health care as well. Ask your friends and family abroad how those countries decide who gets into college and get treatments. It’s a brutal bureaucrat deciding who goes to college, not our accessible community college or generous loan system. Find out how procedures go. Long waits if at all.

    I for one don’t want to be on the hook for other people’s college experience when I have repaid mine or I have no input into what I’m paying for. Also I don’t like the idea of taxes paying for “free” education because it’s just a loan by another name. But a loan you will never pay off because you are taxed for life. I paid off my school loans and am happy for it, I’d hate to never get out from under that rock.

    I’m not feeling the Bern. Taking something from someone else and calling it free is flat out wrong in my opinion.

  5. Apologies for the typos in my post above regarding the Sanders rally, I wrote it quickly as I only came on this site wanting to find the link about that time three years ago that I suggested the GOP had a problem with racial intolerance that prevented independents from joining the party or attending events (http://sdrostra.com/?p=33768) …

    So don’t mind me… just wanted to share a quick, alternate view on the Sanders campaign since I it on the homepage. That is all I tried to do in good faith back in 2013 about a topic that has sadly grown to be a serious issue for the GOP today.

    The Frank Luntz poll results in this article are worth considering: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/24/upshot/lasting-damage-for-gop-young-voters-reject-donald-trump.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

    And before the hate responses roll in, please note that most of my family, friends and business colleagues are life-long Republicans who are amazing people and are sick over what has happened to their party with Trump. I consider myself to be independent and support candidates based on their positions, experience and judgement, versus just party label and articles or blog posts that do not offer facts, evidence and trusted first-hand accounts.

    I have worked for a GOP governor’s administration and local congressional campaign (Mitchell), as well as for a DEM White House and 1996 presidential re-election campaign. I have as much criticism for the Clintons as I do for Trump, Cruz, Rubio, etc (though I have always found Kasich to be an ethical leader, especially when I worked with his staff in DC– and while I don’t agree with his social policies I do hope he can somehow become the GOP candidate).

    These are some of my thoughts on the Clintons, I have a tendency to make Democrats as angry as Republicans with my views, and that frankly is a good/honest place to be: https://www.facebook.com/gaby.dow/posts/10153548267702981

  6. And Elliot thanks for the response. I don’t see services as “free” since I pay a healthy tax rate, and would like to see the US corporations that currently pay zero in taxes contribute at a fair rate again.

    This includes many Fortune 500 companies that pay zero in taxes for the roads, clean air and water, police and fire safety, libraries, and wars that you and I do pay for (these are corps like CBS, which earned $1.8 billion in 2014, paid no federal tax, and received a $235 million tax refund; and General Electric that made $33 billion from 2010-2014, paid no taxes, and received $1.4 billion in refunds.)

    Having these corporations pay SOMETHING in taxes when they enjoy record profits and the very services and benefits that you and I pay for would not mean that resulting improved US services (like education, healthcare and public works infrastructure) would be FREE for anyone, they would just be properly funded again.

    http://moneymorning.com/2015/05/21/chart-u-s-corporations-that-pay-no-taxes/

    Since we also receive far less value for the money we do spend in education and health care, it is worth finding ways to achieve greater results from our investment. We are the only major country on this planet that has not achieved universal health care… my brother in law is a neuro-surgeon in Hamburg who does not find his country’s healthcare to be inferior to that in the US, in fact he is horrified that financial discussions take place in the emergency room with bleeding patients and could never understand our lack of preventative care or acceptance of pre-existing conditions that preclude those that need the care from obtaining it.

    My uncle ran an ophthalmology clinic in Guadalajara and in Houston TX. His equipment was newer in Guadalajara and his staff better trained (that’s where I had my laser eye surgery 20+ years ago) but he charged the same amount in one weekend in Houston as he would charge just a two-hour plane ride away in Guadalajara.

    My aunt in Norway is shocked that we still write checks in this country and have not digitized our health records. We have US tech talent improving social systems in other countries, but not our own: https://newsroom.accenture.com/industries/health-public-service/accenture-chosen-to-build-and-implement-national-electronic-health-record-in-norway.htm

    This is exactly what I experienced via one of my key clients for the tech company I helped launch in 2000 (GovPartner) — we took our modern e-Permits software and in a matter of months digitized the processes for the Municipality of Abu Dhabi (in the United Arab Emirates), and here in the US, a decade later, we still have not achieved modern, digitized permit, inspection and construction management like in other countries.

    The Arab engineers that would come out here for meetings and conferences were shocked at the lack of care for US citizens and lack of access to higher education. They had an interesting business-minded model we could learn from to modernize our own systems: http://www.oxfordbusinessgroup.com/overview/dubais-universal-health-insurance-and-construction-new-hospitals-set-transform-sector

    All of the countries below made investments, and the health care is not FREE, it is part of a smarter universal system that is properly funded and administered. NOT PERFECT, but in many ways better than what we offer.

    Worth considering…. Thanks!

    Country – Start Date of Universal Health Care

    Australia – 1975
    Austria – 1967
    Bahrain 1957
    Belgium – 1945
    Brunei – 1958
    Canada – 1966
    Cyprus – 1980
    Denmark – 1973
    Finland – 1972
    France – 1974
    Germany – 1941
    Greece – 1983
    Hong Kong – 1993
    Iceland – 1990
    Ireland – 1977
    Israel – 1995
    Italy – 1978
    Japan – 1938
    Kuwait – 1950
    Luxembourg – 1973
    Netherlands – 1966
    New Zealand – 1938
    Norway – 1912
    Portugal – 1979
    Singapore – 1993
    Slovenia – 1972
    South Korea – 1988
    Spain – 1986
    Sweden – 1955
    Switzerland – 1994
    United Arab Emirates – 1971
    United Kingdom – 1948

    http://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/hcra/univ_hlth_care.htm

    And this list above is not even complete, as it does not include Costa Rica, which we visited last summer, had an amazing vacation and experienced their health care system first-hand when my 10 yr old developed an ear-ache from surfing. Again, not a perfect system, but far better than relatives from abroad who vacation in the US and find ridiculously administrative layers and hugely inflated costs.

  7. Also (apologies I’m in between conference calls and about to leave for an event) — you are absolutely right about the challenges in many countries, including the ones I describe above.

    Germany: When we traveled to Iceland last year with our boys and my parents, and suggested that my husband’s sister meet us with he kids it was quite shocking to hear her say “I could probably meet you with just one kid, but not all four because we will get in trouble with the school.” She described a US family that was met by police at the airport for taking their children out of school for a trip. It is illegal for children to miss school without approval for valid purposes. I think home-schooling is also illegal. So yes, public university education model from Germany awesome, lack of parent control, even for less than valid reasons, gives you pause.

    Abu Dhabi: serious human rights abuses and although it was amazing to see the efficiency in implementing modern reforms when Sheikh Mohammed made a decision, this is obviously not a government model that I would advocate.

    Iceland: by the way was interesting in having highest rate of gun ownership among citizens with lowest national crime rate, and impressive that they did not bail out their banks and jailed many of them following the criminal justice model of the US S&L scandal.

    Mexico: my native country, serious crime issues but also an incredible boost to the middle class based on engineering talent (especially in tech — go see what is happening in Tijuana, their engineers are doing work for Accenture that is possibly digitizing Norway’s health records!)

    So there are good and bad examples and we need to find the right solution for our country and our children’s future. I believe Senator Sanders is the best option to reach the best solution, especially with the inexcusable gridlock in Congress.

    His judgement and experience are sound, his bold positions will be negotiated to a reasonable end product through our branches of government, he is ethical and has the youth of this country ready to contribute to their future success. We need to also be willing to make our own sacrifices and think beyond outdated labels.

    Thanks, gotta go!

  8. Elliott,

    Your comment is better than the post itself; lines and political favoritism are how goods and services are distributed in a command economy. Alternatively, the pricing mechanism properly assigns value to the goods or services in a voluntary economy

    How do I know this? 2-3 times as many people attend Padres games, 80 times a year, 2 blocks from the convention center with fewer problems. Parking is relatively painless, public transit is increased, lines aren’t a mile long, and people get fed quickly.

    “Free” sounds wonderful until you calculate the opportunity costs. I’ll pass on mile-long lines for eye examinations and stick with the local opthalmologist.

    TANSTAAFL

  9. Gabriela,

    Thank you for your well-thought out and well researched posts. Unfortunately, even though you have personal experience, I fear your ideas will fall on deaf ears here.

    Elliott,

    Your comment assumes two facts clearly not in evidence:

    1. That is somehow moral to ration essential services (higher education and healthcare) based on ability to pay, and

    2. That there is a finite amount of these essential services. I find this latter assumption especially interesting since it is conservatives who blame liberals for the making the same mistaken assumption when it comes to material wealth.

  10. Brian, the “line” we are talking about was in support of a political campaign, not a service. You do see the distinction, don’t you?

    Have you ever received health care in any of the countries I listed? If so, did you have to stand in a mile-long line at that time? I never had this experience. Do you know of people who elect to have medical procedures in Canada, Mexico, Japan and other parts of the world? Did they stand in line or receive inferior care?

    I lived in Spain for my last year of UCLA studies. The healthcare system was much easier to navigate and access– that doesn’t mean that the economic system and social programs in Europe are wholly better than in the US, or vice versa. But it does mean that when I talk about an economic or social system I am clear to not confound “lines” for one thing (a self-funded political platform gaining tremendous support today in San Diego and the entire nation) with the outdated view of “lines” under communist regimes over a century ago.

    Your Padres example reminds me of Sen. Inhofe throwing a snowball in Congress thinking he was proving a point about Climate Change, which reminds me of a clear distinction between GOP and Sanders platform on that topic as well. Worth watching this clip and “listening to the science,” to the facts, to our engineers, our scientists, etc and not strange comparisons of lines, baseball games, snowballs, etc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpJh1xtg28I&ebc=ANyPxKosGVX_NHoqbsNx5-YCowxyAcVKIbAboL9ui-RJAZe6MO7-VB140oxuRpkYzJ-CMhgOT2fgTIkcR3b2O_T7SKrPeXozNg)

    Again, that’s not to say there isn’t nuance and need for solid debate on climate change and on how much we should invest, how to address it, limitations on what human or US interaction can have at this point. But let’s look at detailed information, and put the attempted “berns” and politics aside.

    Thanks so much.

  11. Thank you, Gabriela for insights and for keeping it civil. I’ve read many reports like yours. Sometimes I’ve had good experiences in those countries sometimes not. Particularly glaring I noticed that:

    In Socialized health and education systems, the rich still get their choice, they could afford to buy better and private health care and education and avoid the socialized system. But because of taxes and limited disposable income the middle class had the same services as the poor. I paid cash for my LASIK overseas and got the best care. The poor are better off, yes, but the middle class not so much.

    Now compared to our system the middle class gets the choice. You can get the same care as poorer Americans but if its that important to you, and you are either willing to use savings or credit, you can buy into the exact same care as the rich 1% get. As much as Americans complain about our system we get a choice. In those other countries you don’t get it, you get decent care but not the greatest. In America, yes it can be hit or miss, but you can also get the best.

    I will add as much as Americans complain about our system I think its better to judge by where people put their feet. Unquestionably, there are more people coming from the countries with all the benefits you list to America than Americans going abroad. That includes retirees moving to Costa Rica. Yes, there is always room for improvement here but if things were truly that better abroad I’d expect us to be hurting for immigrants from Europe not swarmed by them. Likewise, I’d see Americans crowding the streets of Paris looking for housing not photo ops.

    Still not feeling the Bern! 🙂

  12. HQ,

    For both of your comments its simple fact that these essential services are not limitless. There is already a shortage of doctors and teachers. Even in the most socialized or even the common communist countries they never had enough doctors or university positions to make everyone timely cared for or to have a bachelor’s degree.

    In all the Bernie pedestal Democratic Socialist countries they have an education track that requires an aptitude test to see if you can go on the college track or the apprentice track (Germany in particular). Compared to us, the limits on upper education is if you are willing to find funds or go through community college or even the military. Its not a bureaucrat proctor determining your chance at higher education.

    Likewise for medicine. Democratic Socialist countries do have long wait times. We are getting those here as well as more regulations are put on hospitals as well as costs. But they also have panels to determine procedures. Yes, the insurance companies may cover or not cover a procedure here but you can still get it and appeal its coverage (I have a story with a knee surgery). But in Democratic Socialist countries its again bureaucrat to determine if its covered.

    So its rationed there for cost and resources. Not limitless either.

  13. Really great insight, thanks Elliot.

    We need well-thought out discussion like this to figure out how to improve conditions and make smarter investments here in the US, because you are absolutely right, this is the country people want to live in and raise their children in.

    I wouldn’t use Paris as an example since the American tourists you describe could hardly afford any housing there! My aunt owns a Parisian flat and it has been one of her greatest investments as Paris was recently ranked Europe’s third most expensive city (Singapore, was most expensive in the world, followed by Zurich, Hong Kong, Geneva and London. New York was seventh). We really do need to study other global systems to understand that USA is not #1 on good or bad lists as many here believe. And once you understand that you can start to look for solutions to improve in ways other countries have surpassed our abilities, results and achievements.

    http://www.thelocal.fr/20160310/paris-ranked-fifth-most-expensive-city-in-the-world-to-live

    Hypocricy, I hope all of this discussion does not fall on deaf ears. I think we’ve made really great progress here in San Diego and in the end we all really do want to make our country stronger, have more economic success, achieve greater social justice, enjoy life, feel confident about our children’s education and future, be safe and be respected and respectful.

    Thanks 🙂

  14. @HQ:

    “1. That is somehow moral to ration essential services (higher education and healthcare) based on ability to pay, and”

    We already do that now and always have. What is more essential for life than water or food ? Both are distributed via the price mechanism. More importantly, the more we rely on the price mechanism, the cheaper and more abundant these things become.

    “2. That there is a finite amount of these essential services. I find this latter assumption especially interesting since it is conservatives who blame liberals for the making the same mistaken assumption when it comes to material wealth.”

    I don’t maintain that there is a finite amount of these essential services. In fact, it is the actors in the command economy who RESTRICT access to both, through occupational licensing, funny money, and closed economic systems.

    The answer is, of course, less restriction on how people choose to manage their health and educational desires and less intervention.

    @GabrielaDow

    “You do see the distinction, don’t you?”

    I do. Can you see how the price mechanism would have benefited the Sanders campaign in San Diego?

    The challenge is that Sanders isn’t seeking money but votes, votes with the hook of “more free stuff and less personal responsibility”. To use that which works (price mechanism) would have denied him the very thing he wanted; votes.

    This really is the issue here; to “profit”, the Sanders campaign has to “sell” something of more value (free stuff) than it receives (enough votes to be in power). The exchange then is votes for power.

    At the end of the day, the Sanders promise is value proposition is “give me power and I will use it to give you money which belongs to someone else”. Some people think charity at the tip of a gun is moral; I just think it’s acting like the Mafia

  15. If nothing else, Democratic support for Sanders is consistent. Dems are progressive. So is Sanders. Their attraction to him is easy to understand.
    That’s far more than can be said for the Right’s infatuation with Trump; a candidate who’s not only not conservative, but is actually virulently anti-conservative.

  16. Elliot,

    You are correct that essential services are not limitless. However, they are also not fixed and providing services to those who can’t afford to pay directly does not have to negatively impact the services provided to the rich.

    As for your comment that, in countries with socialized healthcare, the poor receive the same service as the middle class, I ask “is that a bad thing?”

    Finally to Brian, if the price mechanism really makes everything “cheaper and more abundant” why is it that virtually every other country that guarantees single payer health coverage for all has less expensive health care than we do and the majority of those countries get better results (people live longer)?

  17. Chris Jordan makes an astute observation — the similarities between Trump and Sanders supporters. While the two candidates disagree on several issues, both candidates favor ”strong man” government, with DC central planning taking over every aspect of our lives. They have little regard for the Constitution, or the checks and balances that document requires.

    Their supporters’ confidence in the two candidates’ ability to run (and improve) their lives is remarkably similar. In both cases, most of the supporters exhibit more of a religious fervor than a political agenda, and will simply not countenance criticism or fact checking.

  18. Richard.

    Not exactly the observation I saw. Not a single person there nor do Donald Trump supporters that I have talked to, have little regard for the constitution. They believe that the fix is in and the politicians are using the constitution against them. They believe government’s task is simple. Make their life better. Many see that the two party system as having failed them and that the Democrats and Republicans are working together for their own agenda that is not in the public’s best interest as a whole.

    I learned very early on as a YAFer and a young activist. You can’t change the world if you can’t put food on the plate. Policy debate does not put food on the plate for most all Americans. Trump and Sanders supporters are not motivated by religious fervor or policy debate. They are motivated by something far more base; survival.

  19. Brian – one of the most refreshing things about the mile-long line for Bernie Sanders was the fact that nobody was cutting in line and it was quite fair that everyone went into the convention center based on when they got in line. I’m quite used to the “price mechanism” you prefer: being able to call an insider involved with an event to skip any line altogether, or just paying for the most expensive tickets if I really want to attend any given event– but in this case that was not possible and it actually felt great to see an alternate model in effect that would be more representative of a level playing field.

    If you are happy with the price mechanism controlling government so that those with the highest campaign contributions can continue to derive the greatest profit from a democratic system while paying zero in taxes, as the middle class — who is paying a fair amount — continues to see their buying power shrink, then you and I simply disagree that this is a road our nation should continue on.

    I also simply don’t agree with your assessment that Sanders is offering “free stuff and less personal responsibility.” We all pay sales taxes, most pay state and/or federal income taxes, municipal fees and other revenues to the government. These campaigns are in large part about how that money is allocated.

    Unless you are advocating for the complete abolishment of all taxes, which I don’t believe you are, then you support our American system of redistribution of wealth. That is what occurs every day and has occurred since this country was founded. Since neither of us live alone on our own private island nation, we must abide by the laws and governing systems that we as a society have determined via a democratic process.

    You and I are clearly not on the same point on this continuum of wealth redistribution, but we are operating within this system—the system put into place by a society that has approved of programs like medicare, social security, public education, public utilities, veteran services, social safety programs, public infrastructure, etc. Thus it is not outside of the realm on viable options to extend public education through to the additional four years that are required in the modern economy or to seek a greater return for our health care investment.

    I am very interested in your response to the question posted earlier asking why it is acceptable via your preferred price mechanism “making everything cheaper and more abundant” that in fact we see other countries with single payer health care enjoying far greater return on their investment for far less operating cost?

    Finally, I don’t know who “thinks that charity at the tip of a gun is moral” but I can tell you that my own moral compass would rather have some of our society’s collective tax money be used to alleviate the poverty in our nation versus dropping bombs on countries that have not attacked us. Comparing this preference to the mafia is a bit melodramatic, but again we each have our choice and we do that by voting. This is not a dictatorship, thank goodness.

  20. Richard, I can’t speak for Trump supporters, other than to say that I regret anyone validating his clearly racist, sexist, and bigoted statements that are dangerous and irresponsible. Trump’s ongoing incitement of violence is inexcusable, as more and more people are physically attacked at his rallies while he and his boorish crowds cheer “USA, USA” is a horrible thing to see.

    I can speak to my support for Sanders and tell you that I am not aware of any policies he has proposed that would abolish the three branches of government? What exactly do you mean by saying Sanders has no regard for checks and balances? I can see this for Trump, with his proposals to order the military to commit war crimes and federal agents to deport millions as well as apply religious-based criteria for entry to this country. But one of the reasons I support Sanders is that I believe he is the candidate with the greatest likelihood to be able to work with Congress.

    Also, what evidence do you have of Sanders supporters acting based on “religious fervor?” Or how are you defining “religious fervor?” In the same vein as Ted Cruz?

    The evidence I have seen is actually quite the opposite — young people are supporting Sanders by broad margins and these men and women (many of whom are launching the companies driving our future economy) have access to more information than has ever been available to voters. It is this same demographic that is actually turning away from organized religion and questioning aspects of government and society that their elders have always just accepted. Evidence of this growing trend can be found here: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/03/454063182/poll-finds-americans-especially-millennials-moving-away-from-religion

    The people that I met at the Sanders rally in San Diego were well read, studied on more societal, political and governmental issues than I certainly was at their age (and this was even though I had worked at two CNN bureaus and quite a few political campaigns!)

    I can tell you that my support for Sanders has more to do with research and first-hand experience of healthcare and education systems abroad and understanding that we simply need a better return on our collective tax-dollar investment in these and other areas. And we need to curb the unreasonable influence on the public sector by corporations and an unwieldy financial system that should never have required a trillion-dollar bailout of public funds. Again, a terrible return on our collective investment.

  21. I’ve often noted that Sanders and Trump have much in common. I see them as being two sides of the same “economic/income inequality” argument coin.

    Trump tries to make people upset by blaming immigrants, trade deals etc. for the problem, in an effort to get people to vote for him- and judging by his rallies and primary wins, it’s working.

    Sanders tries to make people think by blaming a rigged political system for the problem- one we all are responsible for- to get people to vote for him. And…it’s also working. The attendance at his rallies, and success in primaries this weekend, are worth noting.

    Both men have created a very challenging, “outside the box” campaign that is making their parties more traditional wing uncomfortable.

    Both men have rejected traditional campaign fundraising models.

    Both men have had successful careers in their chosen professions, at least by the standards within those career paths.

    As for family life, speeches, policy proposals etc.– not so similar.

    But still- lots in common in their style, if not substance.

    Good for them to motivate so many new voters to participate in the Presidential primaries and caucuses this year. Let’s see how many turn out in November as the result of their spirited primary battles.

  22. Wow!!

    I cant believe I agree with Lori Saldana over Richard Rider on something. I am seriously dumbfounded. Did my family slip me some LSD over Easter to come to this, or are we living in a weird parallel dimension where things aren’t what they are supposed to be, like the Clippers winning and the Lakers loosing?

    Trump, Sanders and Ross Perot seem to agree that WTO and NAFTA are bad. I highly doubt the Republican and Democrat establishment will campaign on this to win the popular vote. But then again we may be living in a weird parallel dimension.

    As for the Sanders supporters I saw. They were mostly college kids that were afraid of college debt and no jobs available to them other than a minimum wage cashier position well below their sense of self worth after graduation. They have been taught by their college professors to hate Republicans. To use a term from Orwell’s 1984, Republicans are Emmanuel Goldstein, a convenient scapegoat for a totalitarian regime.

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